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JeffStocksMusic

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In one of Mark Levy's lessons, Ted mentions a lesson sheet specific to diminished chord harmony that begins w/ Beethoven-type sounds and ends w/ Bill Evans.  Anyone have a scan of that sheet?  This is a real area of weakness for me...among so many others....

Peace.  jeff
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Ditto for me,
 I have listened to the diminished lessons on Marks tapes a lot and have been banging my head on diminished harmony with some success but would love to hear more about it for others on the site. I am particularly interested in Ted's ideas about the secondary functions that he alludes to in Mark's lessons. Thanks in advance for any info on this wonderfully confusing and often misunderstood topic.

Deparko

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Hey,
If you give me the lesson date (file name) I will listen to it and see if I have that sheet.

Enjoy,
Mark

rafikenn

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Here is a couple of things to get your ear friendly with the dim. sound:
Start by playing the first 4 notes of a blues scale: root, b3, 4, b5.  You're all familiar with that sound.
Then play the some shape from the last note, the flat 5th: b5, 6, 7, 1. 
Then play a minor scale from 1 to 5: root, 2, b3, 4, 5, a couple of times.
Then some only with the flat 5, so you'll have: 1, 2, b3, 4, b5. 
Add the 6, 7, 1 on top - you'll have 1, 2, b,3 4, b5, 6, 7, 1.
You notice the b6 has been left out.

I agree with Ted that it kind of spoils the bluesy flavor of the dim.
Study the dim. triads with the 5 zones of the neck in mind. [check the Lessons section if you are not sure] 

Open the triads by playing the middle voice an octave higher. 
Then do some things two more times, you'll have close, open, more open, and most open dim. triads. 
Then add the 6th degree to the triads.
Now the different shapes become similar in shape but still different in function.

Check out Ted's Single Note Soloing Vol. 2 for systematic patterns.

Ted's Solo Improvisation CD has some interesting dim. stuff.

The ending of "It Ain't' Necessarily So" from Ted's Solo Guitar album.

Last, most commonly use for dim. in songs is: 
A type of 1 to 1 dim.
ii -v -I,  like in key of Bb: Dm7 [is a type of I] C#dim is first inversion Bb dim ["Some Day My Prince Will Come"].

Or something in "Waltz for Debby" key of F: F/C - F dim/C - Gm7 - C7.

"All the Things You Are," something, Dbmaj7 - Dbm7, then Cm7 [one] B dim. [one dim] 2,5,1.

Hope that helps.
Peace, 
Rafi
JeffStocksMusic

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Mark, the lesson is from 01-27-92 (aka the one w/ the cricket).  He mentions the sheet around the 40 minute mark.  Sounds like a great sheet, from how he explains it.  Who wouldn't want to sound like Beethoven or Evans?

Deparko

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ok...think I have it.....1/27..Mozarts birthday...I've attached the page in question...enjoy

Mark



JeffStocksMusic

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Thank you for taking the time to dig around for this sheet Mark. I appreciate it.

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I had a look around on the lessons section of the site and I can't see this sheet anywhere. I assume the forum was moved and the attachments were lost somehow. Does anyone know how to track this one down?
PaulV

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Here's a couple of related items.
I'll have to check the archives later tonight to find exactly what you're referring to.
http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/harmony/Diminished7thChords_CommonProgressionsAndPrinciples_1974-12-29.pdf
http://www.tedgreene.com/images/lessons/other/EarTraining_LearningToHearDiminished_1991-03-03.pdf


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PaulV

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I was listening to the Mark Levy audio lesson on 1992-01-27.
I think they might have been working thru Ted's arrangement of "But Beautiful" (the 1985 version), which has a couple of diminished and dom7b9 chords in the first phrase (4 measures).
http://tedgreene.com/images/lessons/arrangements/But_Beautiful_TedGreeneArrangement_1985-12-07.pdf

Let me know if this is what you're looking for.

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